Aug 092008
 

Published in the WOW! supplement of the Evening Echo last Wednesday.

Photo Credit: Rain! by tanakawho

Raindrops keep falling It’s August already. One month will see the kids back in school… but the rain it keeps a falling! The buckets, spades, nets, balls, kites, fishing rods and all the other summer paraphernalia remain steadfastly in storage, untouched and unneeded.

I used to think we were lucky living down here in West Cork – making our home in a place where people choose to come on their holidays. This year, watching disheveled holiday makers trudging their way through the deluge, I’m not so sure. They, after all, are heading home to more clement weather, leaving us to weather West Cork’s unpredictable climate.

With rivers bursting their banks left, right and centre, Cork had the unenviable distinction of being the wettest part of the country for the month of July. The highest rainfall for the month since 1975 was recorded at the Cork airport monitoring station. Soggy, to say the least.

For parents rainy summers are tortuous. Wet weather is bad enough when the kids are at school, but when they’re home it can be particularly traumatic. One of the key parental survival strategies during the summer holidays is the ability to hunt the little devils out to play. It gives them… and perhaps more importantly, you… a bit of breathing space. With that option curtailed by the rain this year, everyone’s been stuck indoors, and it doesn’t take long before tempers start to fray and things go haywire with alarming rapidity.

It’s not just about being out of doors either. The weather affects everybody’s disposition. Bright, sunny skies tend to lighten the mood, while dark, sombre ones send it plummeting. Little wonder, then, that the children are proving difficult to manage this summer.

Planning things is impossible. Organising anything like barbecues, picnics or anything outdoor-related puts you at the mercy of our unpredictable and inhospitable climate. You always have to have a plan B, in case the heavens open. There’s no consistency; everything is spur of the moment – grabbing at fleeting opportunities to make the most of the sunshine while it lasts.

In other countries you’ll find predictably warm, fine summers, and crisp, cold winters. Here in Ireland we seem to occupy a perpetually soggy middle ground that offers none of the benefits of either. Sweden is a case in point.

You might expect the Swedes to have weather just as bad as ours. But not so. I was talking to my uncle recently, who’s spending a lot of his time over there these days. It was a scorching 34 degrees Celsius. When I spoke to him in March it was minus 15 degrees Celsius, and he’d just returned from a spot of cross country skiing through sun-dappled forest. Both times I looked out of the window in West Cork onto a vista of brooding clouds and driving rain. Depressing!

Surely we’re due a bit of a summer between now and when the girls go back to school. A few weeks of consistently fine weather, is that too much to ask? The beach gear is in the car, ready to go (alongside the wellies and the raincoats)… so come on sunshine, we’re ready for you. We don’t mind the occasional half-day of rain here and there, it helps to keep the verdant scenery at its best, but please, let’s have a bit of sunshine to see out the summer.

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  34 Responses to “Summertime, and the living is… soggy!”

  1. DREAM ON!!!

    I LEFT THE SOGGY WET MUCKY BOG YEARS AGO! BEST THING I EVER DID. CLIMATE SUCKS SO BAD. AND NOW THE SOCIAL CLIMATE SUCKS AS BAD. FOUL LANGUAGE, DRUNK CULTURE (CULCHIE ER!), ABJECT MINDLES VIOLENCE DUE TO DRUNKNESS…

    DO YOURSELF A BIG FAVOUR. GET OUT!!!

    LAST TIME I VISITED (JULY) THE WEATHER WAS SO DEPRESSINGLY SOGGY, THE LANGUAGE SO FILTHY FOUL, THE DRUNKEN MINDLESS ANTICS SO PROLIFIC… I LEFT EARLY.

    TRUST ME… GET OUT QUICK!

    I HAVE NO REGRETS AND FRANKLY, COULD NOT CARE EVER TO RETURN TO MY DRUNKEN, SOGGY, BOGGY, IRELAND.

    J.

  2. Hi Jon,

    Sorry to hear you’re so disenchanted with your homeland :-(.

    Sure, Ireland has its economic, political, social and cultural woes — but tell me what country doesn’t?

    I’ve travelled all over the world, and experienced many different climates, cultures and societies first hand. And yet I choose to live in West Cork. For all its shortcomings there’s much more good than there is bad, and a certain ethereal quality that sets it apart.

    Something about West Cork gets under your skin… it’s difficult to define, but I think this is one of the most amazing places on the planet. And I’m not alone.

    Now, if we could just do something about the weather… then it really would be awesome :-).

  3. Calvin,

    I agree, having travelled a fair bit enough to consider myself well travelled – from my backpacking days to luxury bag’s carried trips. Each time I look out the airplane window at landing at our green lush lands (something we do owe to the rains!!), I am glad to be home. Cork does indeed for me have it all.

    Granted like most my mood really, really does needs lifting with a few sunny days, no at this point a few weeks sun is required, But its hardly Irelands fault – it rains else where too! And if anything it’s a real reminder to me to watch my carbon footprint.

    I would very much like to know what county is lucky enough to have previous poster resident and if the Craic isn’t his thing, then maybe for him he is better off having left earlier- I don’t recognise his Ireland.

    M.

  4. RURAL CRK (SPARED AT PRESENT IT SEEMS!) VISIT CORK CITY, BANTRY, SKIBB OR ANY LARGE TOWN. CERTAINLY REST OF IRELAND!

    HAVE YOU HEARD THE DISGUSTING FOUL-LANGUAGE?
    HAVE YOU SEEN THE YOBBY DRUNKS SCRAPPING AND DISORDERLY?
    HAVE YOU HEARD THE LOUD EXHAUST SOUNDS?
    HAVE YOU SEEN THE CARNAGE ON OUR ROADS? (HEARD AT LEAST?)

    TAKE A BUS OR TRAIN ANY TRY AND PUT UP WITH THE DISGUSTING FILTHY FOULMOUTH YOBS!

    IT IS EMBARRASSING. F-THIS, F-THAT, S-THIS, C-THAT IT’S A CONSTANT LITANY OF FOUL-MOUTH DIGUSTING EXPLETIVES.

    IN SYMPATHY
    J

  5. Hi Jon,

    You’re right, to a degree, of course. Ireland’s issue with under aged drinking is well documented, and there’s no denying there’s massive scope for improvement.

    Since the end of July, Gardaí now have the power to confiscate alcohol being consumed in public, and a host of other measures have been introduced under the new Intoxicating Liquor Bill to try and tackle the issue. How effective they are, and how well enforced, remains to be seen, but it’s a welcome development and not before time.

    As for the swearing, granted the Irish routinely use a wider gamut of expletives perhaps more prevalently than any of their English speaking contemporaries around the world (with the possible exception of the Aussies… not sure it’s ever been studied, but it would be a close call :-)). It’s a fact of life that, for better or for worse, swearing is more acceptable in Irish society than in many other countries around the world.

    I’m not sure if this is any more of an issue today than it has been in the past. Generally the expletives are used without venom or malice in everyday speech, and I don’t find that offensive. It’s not so much the words, as the manner of their delivery that conveys offence.

    If an Irish friend tells me to “Go away and F**k off out of that” it’s general good natured banter, which is fine. Elsewhere, depending on the circumstances, and the disposition of the person delivering the words, it could be a very different story.

    It’s an interesting conundrum… but there are positives and negatives wherever one chooses to live, and on balance I still think there are far more pluses to living in Ireland than minuses, for me and my family at least.

    All the best,

    C!

  6. I grew up in the States and I’ve settled in Ireland because it’s part of my gene pool. I also discovered that I can fill my average daily requirement of Guinness only when it’s drawn directly from underneath a 200-year-old pub. So for life-or-death reasons, I’m planted in the auld sod.

  7. I agree with you. I’m a gardener, and the last two years have just been impossible. I do an admin job too, and trying to juggle the time so that my office days would be the rainy days (hah!) etc was a nightmare.

    I lived in the States for 15 months and loved it. Proper summers (and I got used to the heat) with bright bright sunshine, proper winters with snow… yes the spring was short but incredibly dramatic and beautiful. Ditto the autumn. Bring it on. I loved being able to plan things. ‘Oh lets have a BBQ on Saturday’ and hop into the car in shorts and tea-shirt with no thought of layers or wetgear. Yes we had rain, but it was so warm that getting wet didn’t matter.

    As for the floods, well that would be a rant from me so I won’t start, except to say: flood plains, anyone? Concreting over city gardens so there’s nothing to ameliorate the rainfall? Yeah, nice job.

  8. Hi Bernie,

    The fact that the stout doesn’t travel well is, of course, one of the primary influences for living in Ireland. I’m a Murphy’s man myself… but similar criteria apply :-).

    Debbie,

    I agree that, climate wise, we could certainly do with a bit of a reprieve, but again, on balance there’s more good about Ireland than bad.

    Would rather bring up the kids in West Cork than the UK, the US or Australia. I love Mexico, but can’t imagine settling there full time with the kids, likewise Southeast Asia. South America was an experience, but for no place to settle and start a family. New Zealand or Canada were (are?) the leading contenders, but in all honesty I can’t see us moving away. Maybe when we “retire”… perhaps to the south of France or an un-touristy part of Spain.

    For now though, West Cork is and will remain home sweet home!

  9. Having said all that, we were meant to be going camping for a couple of nights on Sherkin Island with friends on Wednesday… looks like the weather’s going to scupper that plan too :-(.

  10. In fairness, If Ireland was such a fab place (as some think) as a country or Cork as a City (or any Irish City) it would feature in the top 30 of the World’s best places to live. It doesn’t, and it isn’t and probably never will!

    As for nostalgic musings on rustic west Cork (a la Alice Taylor mode). Come
    on and wise up. Do you (or your kids) want to grow up listeneing to that
    comaile “mucker” foul-mouth disgusting drivel! Do you wish alcohol fuelled
    manifest violence, vandalism and socially unacceptable drunken whackery to
    be the order of your life? Take a bus to Limerick via Cork and then… then… have a serious re-think about life in Ireland a la Alice Taylor fantasy mode.

    In general-
    We make excuses all-the-time and fantasise that these problems aren’t in our back yards. We harbour nostalgic fantasies about some elyessian Ireland of yesteryear. we pretend that we are transcendent, culturally advanced and non mono-culltural, moving forward, not backward.

    Really… Take a bus/train extended trip and listen to the abject regression that we accept as culture. Look at the drunkeness of our society. See the filth of our weekended streets left in the wake of drunken yobs, and mindless muckers whom penetrate the land like a soggy mist leaving a trail of destruction in their mindless wake.

    Unlike our fantasy mucky island, places like New Zealand, Aus, Canada, Switzerland, etc, do actually figure in the top 30!!!

    We should stop making excuses for our violent mindless culture (culchier) and seriously consider another place to live.

    Visit Switz, or NZ. Try Whangerai. Gooogle-Earth it. See the photos. Now compare the stats. These are top 30 material.

    And yes… If we could remove the above foul stains in Ireland it might be a resonable place in Summer time (if you put an umbrella over it!) :)

  11. Jon,
    Please do share with us – where you do you live now ? if you find Ireland so bad im dying to know what country or area is it you find so great to live.

    No one says Ireland is perfect sure what county is?. I live in Cork am from a farming background and have recently bought in the city, and went to school in the city and I love it of course there are bad eggs- can they not be found everywhere crime and anti- social is a world wide phenomenon.

    i’m not making excuses for ireland i don’t need to its my home and I Love it as do my friends and family, the weather is out of our control.
    I do remember fab fab summers when i was young ts in the last few years our climate has changed greatly, which is a pity- sept last year was lovely so fingers crossed for a late summer again this year.

    As for the language drunkenness class problems you mention, are you telling me places like New Zealand, oz, America, don’t have these issues – wake up of course they do, and I have seen it for myself same as here pockets of areas with youths or social drunkenness on nights out, Crime etc people now are exposed and have the same influences on a world wide scale!

    If your argument was on cost of living i would be a bit more inclined to agree with you on more recent years but suggesting anti social behaviour is at a different level here then other countries i cant where you are coming from

    M

  12. Hi Jon,

    Some of us don’t have to Google Whangerai, some of us have been there :-). In fact have a hat hand made there that I use to ward off the West Cork rain… works a treat!

    As I said earlier in the discussion… been there, done that in lot’s of places around the world, and yet I CHOOSE West Cork as home over all of the places you mention.

    Wonder why that is? Couldn’t be the climate… that sucks.

    Guess it must be something else.

  13. Did you listen to Liveline RTE1 today?

    Host confirmed that social “climate” was under-water and that Irish drunken foul mouth yobs had moved onto international holiday aircraft!
    More evidence of the drunk and disorderly social “Climate” we pretend does not exist.

    Has anyone taken a train Cork-Limerick yet?!!!

    If someone is not living here because of dodgey phsical climate, they cannot be living here for the dodgey social “climate”. Perhaps it’s for tax purposes and int’l tax/bank laws (usually the case).
    Perhaps too many Ireland’s Own/Alice Taylor fantasies abound!
    Ireland is not like that. It’s a pint-swill culture.

    If not that, then perhaps we are just afraid to emigrate?
    Check out Mercer Top 20- Get out while you can. It’s never too late!

    Listen to liveline RTE and get the full picture.

    It’s not nice. It’s not pleasant. It is disgusting!

  14. Calvin wondering if you headed to Sherkin Island at the week end after all- i know friday night was fairly bad weather but Saturday was really Fab weather- thought of you and was wondering if you had gone camping?

    we were in clon for the week end – great time had really great week-end, were in the clogeen holiday homes a big gang of us and sat out for hours before going out saturday night – really made the week end for us……

  15. Didn’t make Sherkin in the end… weather too unpredictable for camping. Ended up on one of the little beaches beyond Unionhall on Saturday. Had a wonderful day, BBQ on the beach, caught fish, kids had a ball, even went swimming.

    Sunday (yesterday) wasn’t so hot though lots of sogginess again :-(. Guess we were right about the camping. Nothing worse than putting camping gear away in the rain.

  16. yuck, too true,

    still Saturday was a win – glad to hear

  17. Jon,

    One man’s meat… and all that.

    Not sure what your beef is with Ireland, but it is your beef, and certainly not mine. Some of us are, in fact, very happy here. Yes Ireland has its shortcomings, yes I get frustrated with barmy politics, the weather and some of the social issues you mention, but none of those things are unique to Ireland, and on balance I find far more good than bad.

    So I guess we can agree to disagree and move on. After all, it wouldn’t do if everyone wanted to live here… the place would get far too crowded.

    C!

  18. Ignorance is bliss… (like bias) and sometimes that isn’t a bad thing.
    Ignorance is healthy(like bias)… one just must have one.
    Ignorance is many things – but Not knowledge on the best place to live.

    Mercer don’t rely on ignorance – they rely on intelleigent 40pt national data…
    many factors that make a place, a people… top 20 or not top 20.
    (Nationmaster rely on more!)

    West Switz (better than West Cork)
    West NZ N (better than West Cork)
    Vancouver (better than West Cork)… etc.

    There are quite a few places better than West Cork…
    (and many more worse!) this doesn’t mean west Cork is best!
    It only means you may not be knowledgable enough to realise there are better
    places… west warrandyte and-so-on.

    A colleague of mine (west Cork) said he hated the fact that midges (summer time) make him itch, and that loud exhaust pipes wake people up randomly in the night, and that if if one could record the foul-mouth-language of tourist village Glengarriff… he could not bare to live on idyllic Garnish Island!

    So girls and boys – it seems like La Gomera is far more interesting than West Cork (according to NASA). It seems like West Gigantes is far more interesting
    than West Cork (according to NASA). It seems like the key word that binds opinions on W Cork, Limerick, Moyross, etc… are (non-substantive) and not
    collated by weather stats, social stats, related stats… ie

    “DYSFUNCTIONAL” In-The-Extreme!

    Admit that you might be affected/effected or Irelands Own/Alice Taylor fans?
    or indeed that ignorance is bliss! I (like you) might even be dis-affected!

    But let’s not fool ourselves people…

    Neither W Cork, Cork, Limerick, Moyross, etc is “the best place” to live.

    Ask NASA. Ask Mercer stat. Ask any OAP!

    They ought to know! :)

  19. ….or ask the Economist Intelligence Unit, which in 2005 ranked Ireland at No. 1 in the world in its Quality of Life Index (WARNING: links to aPDF file). That’s right, no. 1 — it surprised the bejeysus out of most people living here, I seem to recall.

    The following year the West Cork Enterprise Board conducted an independent study based on similar empirical criteria within Ireland, and guess what… West Cork came out with one of the best Quality of Life scores in the country.

    Take the two findings and draw your own conclusions.

    The point being you can take statistics and wield them any way you like, but at the end of the day it boils down to this: if you don’t like somewhere don’t live there, if you do, well….

    I don’t think I ever said “West Cork is the best place in the world for everybody”, of course it’s not… but I happen to believe that it IS the best place in the world for me and my family at this particular point in time.

    As I think I’ve already mentioned… different people want different things. At a guess I’d hazard that West Cork, and Ireland, probably aren’t right for you Jon… but a lot of people who are far from ignorant happen to be very happy here.

    You never did mention where you live, did you Jon? Just out of interest….

    As for the charges of ignorance… well, we’ll let’s just let people read the posts and judge for themselves.

  20. EIU stats valid 2005 (for given profile)… at that time! (3YRS) ago!

    NASA, EIU, Mercer (Nationmaster), etc and ancillary stats (see att) accurate relatively and the host of other stats that do not mention Cork, Limerick, Moyross, etc. (and they do not even address crime-ridden-ireland)!

    But West Cork is hardly free from foul mouths/loud pipes. Is it?
    Abounding in violence, drunk, disorderly behavior (Cork County) per cc index according to DDP stats ranks very high in drunk disorderly crimes Irel.

    Crimes that statistically are likely to affect us all. Shocking!!! Intolerable!!!

    Now You may make excuses (and so might all-of-us) but DPP stats do not lie nor do intl stats a-la-mode EIU, Mercer, NASA, et al!

    Listen to liveline RTE tomorrow. Study Stats. Word on street, etc.

    As for where I am from (W Cork)… and as to where I live (Alps) neither I, nor you nor others can escape the awful, foul-mouth, pint-swill culchie-er, camaile bland mindless indifference that both you and I and other/s may wish to fantasise about and pretend… does NOT exist! It does! It is disgusting!!!

    Statistics do NOT lie (per 2000) in tota/um format. [see stats]
    Is La Gomera better? Is La Laguna better? Is Lugarno better? … YES (according to stats) and that doesn’t include Vancouver, Zurich Canton, etc!

    Do you REALLY want to live in that WET soggy, boggy, mucky, foul-mouth, pint-swill, agressive, unruly, violent, mindless, vandalous culchier?

    If so (with full respect) stay in W Cork, Limerick, Moyross, etc :)

    You might ESCAPE 1 day… and good for you! :)

  21. Jon,

    I have a feeling you’re not really missed in W. Cork, you don’t sound like a very nice person at all! A lot of anger, I am wondering do you remind them all of your views every time you come to west Cork to visit, that must be a howl.

    A Yawn comes to mind, this is getting very tiresome, and cheers for calling us ignorant, and as if we know no better, are not well educated, well employed or are well travelled!!!!! I can assure you I am. We all have choice and in not being ignorant we do respect your choice, each to their own. Is it not polite to respect ours and our love of home? Well to repeat myself no where in this world is perfect and we never said home was perfect- but it is our love of home that keeps us here by choice!!!

    Now on the Alps I may be wrong but do they not stretch from Austria and Slovenia through Italy, Switzerland and Germany to France? Please do share with us which country you have settled for? Its funny but I have a friend here from the French Alps region – She moved here for a better quality of life!! – We are all heading to her wedding in French in a few weeks to a Cork lad!!!! So she seemed to find what she was looking for here in Cork :)

    x

  22. Interestingly, Jon is posting from an Edinburgh IP address… so perhaps it’s the Scottish Alps he’s settled for?

    Forgive me if I’m mistaken here, but don’t the Scots have a bit of a reputation for drinking and swearing as well? But then, perhaps it’s the balmy Scottish climate that appeals… ;-).

    Don’t get me wrong… I’ve absolutely nothing against Edinburgh or Scotland… wonderful place to visit. Just, given the choice, I personally would choose West Cork every time. A lot of people would choose the other option, of course.

    That choice and diversity is all part of the rich and varied tapestry of humanity. We want, need and like different things… long may that diversity continue.

  23. Hi Calvin

    Yes Edin IP. Working for festival 2 wks more. I live 1hr ex- Swiss/Italy most of year and Masca winter. Yes Scots as bad (if not worse) than. Agreed about diversity etc. For the record I actually like the natural setting of W Cork
    and have great affinity with it. Nature-wise it’s up there. if all the above (as per prior msgs was removed) W Cork would indeed be more suitable than it
    already is for some. And in all relative accuracy I’m addressing what’s by-and-large outside “rustic” W Cork. The negatives I quite rightly address are by-and-large the bigger towns and the weekend nontourist waste-lands.

    So you guys are prob outside the above and ensconced in the more rustic Alice Taylor type places. I commend that and It must be truly amazing- that you do not hear boy-racers, foul lang, etc. Inchageela/Johnstown is like that- Nice and Rustic. Ballingeary/GouganB etc. Alas Glengarrif was invaded by midges, boy racers, drunks and foul-mouths last time I visited. Disgusting!
    Unfit for both man & beast.

    You’re obviously quite rustically removed from such dysfunction. Well done.
    As an irishman it actually saddens me (no anger) -what I & others last saw, not just in GlenG. It was so prolific (even in Bantry, Skibb). We had to leave.

    I admire people who are not affected by the above. You clearly are not in ear-shot of what I address. And live in a more rustic rurality.

    So next time your out and about and hear none of what I mention. Enjoy it.
    And girls, as for reminding of views the sickness that permeates our naturally lovely land is no laughing matter and the disgust that I’m sure you will witness next time in Urbanity is no howl.

    But it’s an Irish thing I suppose & I like you will pretend it doesn’t exist. I have learned that much at least and I thank you for it.

    Best regards & wishes :)
    J
    0035385-1273222 (sms or email as per)

  24. Margaretmartina…

    Forgive ourselves, I & us & ye/you for your/ye’r defensive writing style???

    But are you “i” , “we” or “We” (caps)? or e “extra”? 1st or 3rd person/s??

    singular/plural??

    Are you/ye/ a n other Siamese twins? triplets? singular? or other?

    On one note you/it says “i” 1st person? then you become uncertain…

    on another you/it say/s “we”… 3rd person/s? Are u a hybrid psychophant with pleasant leanings towards dysfunctional schizophrenia 1st 2nd 3rd or other order?

    Please explain to Calvin the following…

    1] All about schizophrenia … “we” V “i”
    2] schizophrenic internal symbolism “we” V “we”
    3] Does it function on internal thoughts… or just random turf??
    4] Advance math Integrands and symbolic dysfunction (1st V 3rd)
    5] Logic v/v related math function and psychological dysfunction

    If you function at primary resource level negate all of the above logic levels and resort to abject dysfnctional confusion where 1st person, 2nd person and 3 rd person… all get all mixed into one!!!

    Personally, I think it is rustically lovely… [I, we, etc…]

    Nancy Schreiber Hughes (berkley Uni Press 1986) thinks its fab.

    Check it out her book based in west cork & galway … it is called

    “Ireland… The land of saints, scholars and schizophrenics”

    (1986 berkeley University press) N.S. Hughes.

    Read It.

  25. Jon,

    Thanks for making me smile this morning – Funnily enough, I am a twin actually and dyslexic not so sure about schizophrenic.

    I normally don’t comment for this reason, your earlier comments did provoke me on this occasion though. :)

  26. There is a also 2000 version of Nancy’s book which adresses Irel social “CLIMATE” a-la-mode dysfunctional schizophrenic Illogical ireland.
    Pls don’t get me wrong (I think W Cork is delightful… on Alice Taylor tablets… & clearly she was when she indulged in such delightful fanciful schizo bliss)

    One/I/we… could hardly describe such a bumper-on-a-dodgem to be a real-life with it author… no no no, she must be reserved for the accolade of mistress a la RTE1 fade mode! ie…the lesser appeal of broadcast propoganda which omits above as outlined! (re-read randomly).

    But if you wish to feel good… have a BBQ next weekend and use all of your Alice Taylor books to fuel it! Why? There is no mention of…

    1-mindless boy racers with loud cars, pipes, high road-kill rates
    2-drunken hooligans at random and at-large (inc rustic community zones)
    3-foul mouths sluttering random expletives in public places
    4-violent drunks indulging in social hurling (random violence)
    5-violent drunken vandals wrecking our heritage (property)
    6-drug abuse alcohol, As Bs Cs, etc wrecking our towns (wk ends mainly)
    7-W Cork Methodone/related clinics for Cork drug addicts
    8-inadequate policing for high profile “Tinker-types” as in Cork, etc
    9.Tinker-types (as described by Brian Cowen) who infest Cork, Dublin, Limerick, Athlone. Tullamore, Ennis, Mullingar, Tuam, Skibb, etc, etc…
    the list does go on and on and on!!! IT IS DISGUSTING!!!

    In Swiss, if you do the above you get arrested and imprisoned and if not Swiss (deported) PERMANENTLY!!!… NOW I INSIST ON CAPITALS….

    IF YOU DO THIS IN IReLand THE ATTITUDE IS…

    “AH SHUR THEY’RE ONLY HAVIN A BITA FUN…”
    “AH SHUR THEY’RE ONLY DRUNK!”
    “AH SHUR THEY’RE ONLY IN AN ALTERED STATE”
    “AH SHUR… ANY DYSFUNCTIONAL-WHACKERY DRUNKEN EXCUSE WILL DO…!!!!”
    “AH SHUR DA GAA, DA CHURCH, DA GOVT UNDERSTANDS IT!!!”
    [SHUR ISNT IT GREAT CRAIC!!!]

    IS LOSS OF LIFE GREAT CRAIC?
    IS MAIMING GREAT CRAIC?
    IS DRUNK DRIVING GREAT CRAIC?
    IS FAMILY DIS-HARMONY MIGHTY CRAIC?

    Such illogical nonsense (make excuses all you like) must not be tolerated!
    It is NOT tolerated in Swiss
    It is NOT tolerated in NZ
    It is NOT tolerated in NW
    It is NOT tolerated in CAN (bc)
    It is NOT tolerated in 1ST ORDER cities
    It is NOT tolerated in other places [too few to mention]

    Stop making excuses for the drunken Oirish (Brian Cowen)
    Stop making excuses for the drunken tinkers
    Stop making excuses for all who abuse our law

    Either you stop it NOW….or emigrate…OR…

    …….YOU LIVE WITH IT!!!!

    …….and enjoy it!

  27. Have to say Jon that I agree with you about the excessive tolerance of people who flagrantly flout the law… it’s deplorable. The laws are there, but enforcement is practically non-existent.

    There are, indeed, sides of West Cork that could perhaps be described as “more Alice Cooper than Alice Taylor” (haven’t read either of the books you mention, BTW — my comments about West Cork come purely from an enduring relationship with the place that began more than 15 years ago, and saw me return, settle and start a family here).

    It’s hard for me to equate the West Cork you describe with the community I live and work in. Yes, all of those bad things you mention are there if you go looking for them — but again, if you scratch the veneer hard enough in any community you’ll start to see the ugly stuff underneath.

    The truth is, in day to day life I encounter few, if any of the problems you mention. They are sporadic inconveniences, rather than the burgeoning epidemic you describe. That’s just my experience… other people’s mileage will, of course, vary.

  28. lets’ all admit…

    DEPLORABLE SOGGY BOGGY MUCKY FOUL MOUTH IRELAND- NOW WE ARE APPROACHING HONESTY. …. AS FOR PRETENDING IT DOESN’T EXIST…IT EXISTS! AS FOR SCRATCHING VENEER (WE DONT LIKE THAT) AND COVERING UP VENEERS (WE LOVE THAT)… THE ABOVE STILL EXISTS

    IT’S OUR MIND-STATE WE SHOULD EXAMINE… FOR EXAMPLE… JUST BECAUSE I PRETEND THAT DRUNKEN FOUL MOUTHS, LOUD RACERS, ANTI-SOCIAL VIOLENCE, VANDALISM AND TRADITIONAL SOCIALLY ACCEPTED VIOLENT WHACKERY DOESN’T EXIST… THIS DOES NOT MEAN… IT DOES NOT EXIST! …IT DOES (even if I pretend it doesn’t!)

    EVEN THO’ IT HAS INCESSANTLY RAINED, SOGGED, BOGGED, CLOUDED AND DEPRESSED MOST INTO DENIAL (WHAT A SUMMER) WE/I/YOU CAN PRETEND… IMAGINE… NOT SCRATCH REALITY… HIDE REALITY… ETC… “AH CMON TED… “STATISTICALLY”… IT IS A DIRE DEPRESSING CLIMATE!” IT HAS LASHED DOWN UPON ALL AND SUNDRY (even if i pretent it hasn’t!)

    NOW, LISTEN UP GIRLS- IF I READ ALICE TAYLORS BOOK “PARISH” AND FANTASISE THAT THE ABOVE DOES NOT EXIST (even if it does) AND IF I PRETEND THAT CORK IS “PARISH” LOVELY AS ALICE IN WONDERLAND SUGGESTS (even if it isn’t) AND IF I IMAGINE SYLVAN SETTINGS ON SULTRY SUMMER DAYS WITHOUT SOGGY RAIN (even if they can’t) AND DARE I SAY (never have)…

    SO… IN AN ALTERTED STATE… I IMAGINE A LOVELY HEAVENLY “PARISH” (WHATEVER THAT IS).. WITHOUT ALL OF THE ABOVE. OF COURSE I WILL PRETEND NOT TO SEE ANY OF THE ABOVE DYSFUNCTION…(religion & politics, theocracy and classic heaven are symptomatic of a much deeper malaise… perhaps a function of boggy, soggy, mucky social climate?)

    WHO KNOWS?

    IT’S FAB WE ARE ENTERING FREUDIAN TERRITORY UND THE FANTASY REALM… WE ARE NOT SURE OF OUR PERCEPTIONS… WE MUST NOW CONSIDER OUR FANTASY MENTAL STATE…A LA MODE TAYLORESQUE 4TH DIMENSIONS….MIRRORED WITH SELF-PROJECTED KALEIDOSCOPIC VISION/S… THE COLOUR TUNNEL… WHERE ALL OUR PRE-CONCEIVED NOTIONS OF HAPPINESS MUST BE TWISTED TO SUIT OUR FAILING VISION…IN A LAND WHERE THINGS DO EXIST… DO NOT EXIST! IN A LAND WHERE WE PRETEND THEY DON’T ANYWAY… A HALF-REALITY, A HEMI-DEMI-SEMI QUAVERLAND OF SOUND BEAT… A PLACE WHERE DENIAL SEE’S LITTLE OR NOTHING OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD BUT IN OUR SELF-CONTRIVED KALEIDOSCOPE… ALL MAYBE – IS PERCEIVED WITH A MATHEMATICAL EXACTNESS AND A SCIENTIFIC PRECISION… OH YES

    FILTHY FOUL LANGUAGE
    SOCIAL VILOENCE
    ACCEPTED VANDALISM
    MINDLESS DRUNKENESS
    RUDENESS
    FAMILIAL DISARRAY
    LITTERING
    VULGARIANISM…
    DRUNK DRIVING [CHECK THOSE STATS!!!], ETC

    DO “NOT EXIST” …

    DO NOT EXIST (in our minds)NOR DOES BAD WEATHER (in our minds)…

    SO, IN OUR MINDS….WEST CORK IS A SEXY, SYLVAN, DELIGHTFUL SETTING WHERE WE SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, BE WHAT WE WANT TO BE, AVOID WHAT WE WANT AVOID (TAX?) AND PRETEND THAT ALL OUR (LIES)… SORRY, LIVES… ARE ALICETAYLORESQUE…

    HMMMM… ARE YOU? WE? I? ANY OF US… CONVINCED???

    A VERY PRETTY WOMAN NEVER GET’S CONVINCED!

  29. Ah Jon, you’re shouting again! :-(

    I’m neither deluded or short sighted… and I’m certainly not in denial.

    I don’t think anyone is pretending that the side of Ireland you’re talking about doesn’t exist… of course it does. It just isn’t quite the all-pervading menace that you seem to intimate.

    It is there… of course… if you go out looking for it, but as I’ve said before during day-to-day life here over the last nine years I’ve never really encountered a problem. It’s a sporadic inconvenience at worst, and mostly it isn’t apparent at all.

    This isn’t delusion or fantasy — it’s my experience of living and working in West Cork, day-in day-out. For me, that’s way more important than statistics and rhetoric!

  30. We adore living in West Cork.
    The little I have read of “Jon”‘s highly strung ramblings leads me to assume he is the same “Jon” from Northern Ireland who posts extremely similarly worded diatribe against the Southern Irish wherever Ireland as a visitor attraction is discussed. What a sad man.

  31. Hi Helena

    I am born Cork actually (as clarified).

    As clarified w/Calvin I now work between Cork and Edinburgh (festival)

    I sincerely hope I have not caused offence. I only amplify what you have heard and will on RTE (kenny, J. Duffy, 5-live, news, etc). Ireland is in a bad way. I actually like the place. What I do NOT like is as outlined above…

    Foul mouths, drunk culture, drug culture, street violence, racers, disruptive behaviour. culture of dis-respect, etc etc.

    As an Irishman I’m entitled to amplify what others think.

    And as an Irishman I (like Pat Kenny, J. Duffy, etc) am disgusted!

  32. Between me and my lazy husband, I won the argument on this subject because she did not agree with you.. :)

  33. It’s now 2012 and it’s still a soggy, boggy, mucky, non-plucky ireland (where are the Epicurean Zen Corkists now!) NPPR tax! Householdtax! Septic tank tax! … This simply means if you own anything in Cork you pay 200 + 100 + 200 = €500/year or you will do in the not too distant future (as you will nationwide). Ireland is laughed at internationally for its PUB mentality (a bunch of loosers talking shy talk over excess alcohol). And before some rascist, xenophobic moron with education difficulties tries to displace my pinkyponk… I’m Irish (as stated). But xenophobes want answers… Here is a check… visit EULER EUROPE wikipedia… and if you do not understand a EULER DIAGRAM or EUROPE or WIKIPEDIA

    Simply tryand search Euler Europe!!!

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